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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 11, 2009 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

Hey All,

Anyone see the Kingfish with Tom Constanten shows in 1991? This was a huge night of music with a wide variety of songs ranging from very quiet and delicate to balls-out jamming heaven. The TC set was a little self-indulgent (and lots of people hit the bar) but was still fascinating to hear his take on this assortment of songs. Altogether, a really solid night. Love to find a recording someday.

Tom Constanten with Kingfish

October 25, 1991
The Moon, Tallahassee, FL

Tom Constantan: keys;
Barry Flast: guitar and vocals;
Matthew Kelly: harmonica, guitar, and vocals;
Barry Sless: guitar and pedal steel;
Fred Campbell: guitar and vocals;
plus David Nelson, guitar, mandolin, and vocals;
Eric Parker, drums (enters during Dark Star)

Acoustic Set (no drums)

Cumberland Blues
Truckin’

TC Solo set

St. Stephen
A Day in the Life
Friend of the Devil
Boris the Spider
Dejavalse
Rachmaninoff’s Prelude, Op. 32 #1
Mountains of the Moon

Dark Star (Joined in progress by electric Kingfish)>
Fire on the Mountain
Deal
Althea
New New Minglewood Blues
Goin’ Down the Road Feelin’ Bad
Juke
Groupie
Hand Jive>
The Eleven>
Woman Smarter>
Iko Iko >
Woman Smarter >
Hand Jive

Encore
U. S. Blues
Knockin’ on Heaven’s Door

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Poster: nagdot Date: Jun 11, 2009 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

no but i got a TC show with my local gd cover band from ft wayne indiana called the grateful groove. pretty good stuff. i think i passed it to a few dhookers. TC was playin regularly in chicago with terripan flyer last fall

This post was modified by nagdot on 2009-06-12 01:49:04

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Poster: Mister Green Date: Jun 13, 2009 8:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

I caught this show way back when. Met Merl, Papa John and TC that night, I remember. Merl signed an autograph for me that said "thanks for comin'"

1991 August 27 Toronto, Ontario @ Rock n’ Roll Heaven (Roland 250s/1200)

Tom Constanten with Kingfish (Barry Flast, Barry Sless, Fred Campbell, and David Nelson, guitars and vocals)

Cumberland Blues (Hunter/Garcia/Lesh)
Ripple (Hunter/Garcia)
Friend of the Devil (Hunter/Garcia)
Candy Man (Hunter/Garcia)
Truckin’ (Garcia/Weir/Lesh/Hunter)
U. S. Blues (Hunter/Garcia)

TC Solo set
Friend of the Devil (Hunter/Dawson/Garcia)/Boris the Spider (Entwistle)
Dejavalse
I’ve Just Seen a Face (Lennon/McCartney)
Mountains of the Moon (Hunter/Garcia)
Dark Star (GD)
Joined in progress by Merl Saunders and the Rainforest Band (Merl Saunders, D-60 digital keyboard, Steve Kimock, guitar, Fred Campbell, bass, and Peewee Johnson, drums)

Rejoining the Rainforest Band, plus Papa John Creach, violin
Sugaree (Hunter/Garcia)

Encores
Tongue ’n Groove (Anton/Kimock/Fierro/Banana/Kahn)
Feel Like Dynamite (Saunders)
We Bid You Goodnight (Traditional) - TC solo

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Jun 13, 2009 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

yeah mg i met merl in va beach shook his hand and remembere'd jerry

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 11, 2009 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

why are they going by Kingfish? No Weir, Torbert, or that Robbie H ( can't spell ) guy? Except for Kelley were any of them in Kingfish?

I'm not saying this because I'm a Kingfish fan ( because I'm not really ), I'm just curious what the tie is.

I am however a Nelson and Sless fan

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 11, 2009 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

Thanks Edge! I had no idea this happened?!!

Interesting to say the least. Irony: TC, the guy that replaced one of the DEAD players that was fired, but never actually quit, who then quit himself before the one that was fired died, ends up playing with the only other DEAD player that was fired, but likewise never quit, and coincidently, didn't die, 20 yrs later. Did that make sense? Just seemed weird thinking about it...

Had exactly JOTS's take on it though and kept re-reading the band lineup! Then saw his note and realized I wasn't mis-reading it...

Funny. But, perhaps in your follow up you're suggesting they didn't actually use the name?

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 11, 2009 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

Here’s a comment about GY by TC.

http://www.digitalinterviews.com/digitalinterviews/views/constanten.shtml

DI: Who was in the Dead Ringers group, and what experiences can you share from that time?

TC: It started out as a tour called "Gratefully Yours," with Merl Saunders, Kingfish, and me. Eventually it became what later became the David Nelson Band, minus Yours Truly. It ultimately ran through much of the mid 90s, some 150 gigs. An amazing parade of musicians joined us on the trip. Papa John Creach, Matt Kelly, Rick Danko. The last hurrah was at the Alaska State Fair. The first two days of September 1994. For that weekend we were joined by David Laflamme, of It's a Beautiful Day fame.

HOWEVER, we were big Merl fans at the time and I don’t think he/his band played the FL show I saw.

This seems to be conflicting info here from David Nelson:

DI: When did you start the David Nelson Band?

DN: In '94. Right after the Zydeco thing, a promoter called and asked if we would do this tribute to the Grateful Dead called Gratefully Yours; this little acoustic ensemble with Barry Sless, Fred Campbell and Barry Flast. There was one tour, and Merl Saunders did the electric stuff with Steve Kimock. Fred Campbell played bass on that, too. We wanted to continue doing it, so we changed the name to Dead Ringers and kept touring. That's where we met Arthur and Bill Laymon.
http://www.digitalinterviews.com/digitalinterviews/views/nelson.shtml

The plot thickens! e

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 11, 2009 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

The Kingfish references were on the set list details i found a few years back (i'm really not totally up to speed on Kingfish). I figured that whoever posted the set info knew better than me about the group but maybe not. The more i think about it the more i'm pretty sure it was Gratefully Yours. I'll try to find some info and post it. e

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Jun 11, 2009 1:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

"Starting in 1984, Kingfish would regroup from time to time and go on tour with a gradually evolving lineup of musicians led by Matthew Kelly." from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingfish_(band)

On T.C.'s site, he refers to these dates as "with Kingfish" ( some included Papa John Screech!)http://www.tomconstanten.com/base/1991.html

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jun 11, 2009 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

any idea if that 10/25/91 show is anywhere for Torrent/DL? I looked in LL & bt.etree, not there or of the 4 TC shows here. I found this interesting show at bt.etree, this may be my first exposure to the Zen Tricksters(with TC) >>

Zen Tricksters
Mexicali Cafe
Teaneck, NJ 3-2-09

"Performing Grateful Dead's 3/2/69 Fillmore West"

w/ Tom Constanten (keys- Grateful Dead)
w/ Joe Chirco (drumz-former ZT, David Nelson Band)

SBD>pro tools (record and track)>wav>FLAC16

CD 1
Intro ("We will be back")
Dark Star
St Stephen>
The Eleven>
Lovelight

CD 2
Doin That Rag
Cryptical>
Drumz> (2 drummers!!!!!)
Other One>
Cryptical>
Death Don't Have No Mercy>
Morning Dew

CD 3
Alligator>
Drumz>
Caution>
Feedback>
WE BID YOU GOODNIGHT

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 11, 2009 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

Honestly, this is my main source for downloading music but I’ll check around. e

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Poster: Mister Green Date: Jun 13, 2009 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

I met Matthew Kelly and his wife a year or two ago in Taipei, Taiwan, of all places. He was playing at The Blues Bash, an annual event put on by the Blues Society on Taiwan. We hung out a bit. He's a really nice guy. Way mellow. I jammed on stage with him (and everybody else) during the festival grand finale. There must have been a dozen guitar players onstage.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Jun 11, 2009 1:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

oh yeah i remember edge. i was at the 10-19-91 show at the peppermint beach club in virginia beach. i used to have a killer soundboard of that show on tape, not sure where it is now lol!! i cant remember but i think some friends of mine opened that show they were called rare daze. it was a nice small club.very cool. also seen widespread panic in there before they got really big. gone are the days!

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 11, 2009 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

Indeed. The Moon was an old A&P grocery store converted to a music hall (and was/is awesome). In addition to the GY show and dozens of others, we also saw Widespread Panic and Phish (as well as They Might Be Giants if that matters). e

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 11, 2009 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

To be totally honest, I think they had a different stage name for this ensemble. It was a while ago but I’m pretty sure it was call "Gratefully Yours". That name wasn’t on the setlist so I wasn't sure. I’ve never found any references to that name on the net so I left it out. Can anyone confirm the group’s name? e

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 11, 2009 3:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

Thanks for all your efforts, Edge. I can't believe you've been here for almost two yrs now...

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Jun 11, 2009 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

You are more than welcome. There are lots of great folks who visit here and our connection to the GD is important to me. This my favorite place on the web and I stream daily, however, I'm online at work so I don't always have time to contribute to the conversation. Wish I did though as some of these threads get hilariously insane!! e

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Jun 11, 2009 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tom Constanten with Kingfish in 1991 Anyone?

yeah i believe your right it was billed as gratefully yours. wow its all coming back now lol!:)